A Foul Wind Blows… From the Toyota Camry's Dash Vents, Lawsuit Claims

Steph Willems
by Steph Willems

Toyota might have another stinky legal problem on its hands. A proposed class-action lawsuit filed in the US. District Court for the Southern District of Florida claims the automaker committed fraud by failing to properly address an HVAC problem that leaves Camry cabins in an unpleasantly scented state.

Condensation is the culprit in this issue, though the plaintiffs accuse Toyota of covering up the fact that it doesn’t have a solution.

The lawsuit, Javier Cardenas, et al. v. Toyota Motor Corporation, et al., was filed on July 12th and concerns Camrys of the 2012 to 2017 model year. CarComplaints uncovered the legal action.

According to plaintiff Javier Cardenas, who lives in Missouri but purchased a 2014 Camry when living in Florida, cranking the air conditioning in his car leads to a “funky, horrid, old smell.” Cardenas, who still owns the car, says passengers complain of a foul odor even when the A/C is off. A trip to a Missouri Toyota dealer resulted in a $300 quote for taking apart the instrument panel; instead, the plaintiff carried out the suggestions the dealer provided for mitigating the smell (opening the vents, periodically turning on the heater), to no avail.

The content of a follow-up call to Toyota isn’t mentioned in the lawsuit. Nor is it mentioned whether the second claimant, Kurt Kirton of Tennessee, has ever experienced such issues with his own 2015 Camry. Such is the nature of lawsuits.

Regardless, there have been issues with the Camry’s HVAC system, leading to several technical service bulletins (TSBs) over the years. As early as 1997, Toyota issued a TSB to eliminate musty odors that occured when the operator cranked cold A/C in a vehicle left sitting in a hot, humid environment for a period of time. The automaker blamed the odors on either a blocked evaporator housing drain pipe, or microbial growth in the evaporator.

A 2009 TSB informed dealers of a “newly designed evaporator sub-assembly … made available to decrease the potential for HVAC odor.” This bulletin was updated in 2011. Two years later, another TSB told technicians that the odors were “naturally occurring from the HVAC system and/or related environmental factors,” adding that “there is no way to eliminate these odors.” It also listed mitigation measures. The TSB was updated in 2015 to cover 2007 to 2015 model year Camrys and Camry Hybrids.

The two plaintiffs claim the source of the smell — suspected mold — poses potential harm to the vehicle’s occupants, and that the automaker covered this up by having dealers claim the odors were nothing unusual. They also claim they paid more than they would have, had they known of the HVAC system’s smell. Hence the fraud allegation.

“No reasonable consumer expects to purchase or lease a vehicle with a HVAC System Defect that exposes them to foul, noxious, and/or toxic odors, mold, and other contaminants,” the suit states.

It will be up to Toyota to prove that there was/is no risk to occupants from possible mold spores in the car’s vents, and that its communications with dealers and customers was above board.

This is not the first class-action lawsuit filed over the issue. Over the past few years, at least two suits have targeted Toyota for reeking A/C operation, while message boards are full of queries about how to eliminate such odors.

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  • Bloodnok Bloodnok on Aug 01, 2018

    not just toyota: my unlamented sainted focus had bad breath, too. the dealer didn't even believe me about the stench so i never got any satisfaction. so i did get rid of the beast, and good riddance too.

  • Tsoden Tsoden on Aug 03, 2018

    I can confirm this was a problem on my 2000 Camry. I bought the car used back in 2005. The funny thing though was when the AC was running, there was no funky smell at all... however when it rained, and the AC was OFF, but the fan blowing, it smelled like someone stuffed dirty gym socks up my nose. i initially had the dealer clean the system with the special type of disinfectant foam... but it did nothing. I also went through about a dozen cans of "fresh Linen" Lysol spray over the 5 years I had this car... and it kinda helped, but was really only a patch that didn't resolve the problem 100%. During my ownership of the car, there was never any technical service bulletins about this at all. The Camry was the only car where it was THIS BAD. I have had other cars with a bit of an off smell with the A/C... but nothing like this.

  • Kwik_Shift_Pro4X Thankfully I don't have to deal with GDI issues in my Frontier. These cleaners should do well for me if I win.
  • Theflyersfan Serious answer time...Honda used to stand for excellence in auto engineering. Their first main claim to fame was the CVCC (we don't need a catalytic converter!) engine and it sent from there. Their suspensions, their VTEC engines, slick manual transmissions, even a stowing minivan seat, all theirs. But I think they've been coasting a bit lately. Yes, the Civic Type-R has a powerful small engine, but the Honda of old would have found a way to get more revs out of it and make it feel like an i-VTEC engine of old instead of any old turbo engine that can be found in a multitude of performance small cars. Their 1.5L turbo-4...well...have they ever figured out the oil dilution problems? Very un-Honda-like. Paint issues that still linger. Cheaper feeling interior trim. All things that fly in the face of what Honda once was. The only thing that they seem to have kept have been the sales staff that treat you with utter contempt for daring to walk into their inner sanctum and wanting a deal on something that isn't a bare-bones CR-V. So Honda, beat the rest of your Japanese and Korean rivals, and plug-in hybridize everything. If you want a relatively (in an engineering way) easy way to get ahead of the curve, raise the CAFE score, and have a major point to advertise, and be able to sell to those who can't plug in easily, sell them on something that will get, for example, 35% better mileage, plug in when you get a chance, and drives like a Honda. Bring back some of the engineering skills that Honda once stood for. And then start introducing a portfolio of EVs once people are more comfortable with the idea of plugging in. People seeing that they can easily use an EV for their daily errands with the gas engine never starting will eventually sell them on a future EV because that range anxiety will be lessened. The all EV leap is still a bridge too far, especially as recent sales numbers have shown. Baby steps. That's how you win people over.
  • Theflyersfan If this saves (or delays) an expensive carbon brushing off of the valves down the road, I'll take a case. I understand that can be a very expensive bit of scheduled maintenance.
  • Zipper69 A Mini should have 2 doors and 4 cylinders and tires the size of dinner plates.All else is puffery.
  • Theflyersfan Just in time for the weekend!!! Usual suspects A: All EVs are evil golf carts, spewing nothing but virtue signaling about saving the earth, all the while hacking the limbs off of small kids in Africa, money losing pits of despair that no buyer would ever need and anyone that buys one is a raging moron with no brains and the automakers who make them want to go bankrupt.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Usual suspects B: All EVs are powered by unicorns and lollypops with no pollution, drive like dreams, all drivers don't mind stopping for hours on end, eating trays of fast food at every rest stop waiting for charges, save the world by using no gas and batteries are friendly to everyone, bugs included. Everyone should torch their ICE cars now and buy a Tesla or Bolt post haste.(Source: all of the comments on every EV article here posted over the years)Or those in the middle: Maybe one of these days, when the charging infrastructure is better, or there are more options that don't cost as much, one will be considered as part of a rational decision based on driving needs, purchasing costs environmental impact, total cost of ownership, and ease of charging.(Source: many on this site who don't jump on TTAC the split second an EV article appears and lives to trash everyone who is a fan of EVs.)
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